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“but someone will before itâ€™s over, I can guarantee that!”
Math and April! or Mac and Val. I can take either. But so help me if its Howard! Cowards don’t deserve to breed!
Guess that means Val is over a hundred years old, if Math hasn’t done it for over a century and she was not his last one. She ages well. He has a face in the last panel that says “Cue painful flashback to an intimate relationship with a blonde woman who looks and acts like April!”
I wonder why Val says she’s going to kill herself soon. She might mean it’s because she thinks that they are going to lose all the humans and she rather die than live as a zombie.
I don’t think Crosby wanted to answer if humans and vampires can breed during our many “how can humanity survive to a sustainable level?” but what about vampire/vampre pairings? They are kinda like humans just with some genetic thingamabobs making them hungry for blood and mysterious hereitary powers from the one that sponsored them. Would they get a baby vampire, human(probably not) or for some reason are sterile?
“Math and April! or Mac and Val. I can take either.”
You might have to take neither!
“But so help me if its Howard!”
HUGE SPOILER: We will not see Principal Howard having sex.
“I wonder why Val says sheâ€™s going to kill herself soon. She might mean itâ€™s because she thinks that they are going to lose all the humans and she rather die than live as a zombie.”
Correct, as I’ve said before in comments.
“I donâ€™t think Crosby wanted to answer if humans and vampires can breed during our many ‘how can humanity survive to a sustainable level?’ but what about vampire/vampre pairings?”
I haven’t answered the human/vampire question because I don’t currently know the answer or care about the answer. Hasn’t been a need to think about it, which is a spoiler in itself, I guess. Vampire/vampire pairings can create vampire babies, yes.
The author seems pretty flustered about the ongoing questions regarding “but what if there were more survivors hiding somewhere obscure?” or “how could the zombies accomplish all this? this is improbable!”
I am inclined to feel, by your reactionary statements, that you have missed the fundamental subtext behind all these arguments: That humanity could be defeated so easily, that we only survive because of the intervention and whim of vampires, that we seem good for nothing but food for the vampires. In short, that mankind is worthless and helpless(except as food). Your story seems to belittle the importance of humanity on some levels, and so may offend some of your audience, who expect that humanity will prevail in the end.
Humanity will prevail in the end, very much so. I get flustered by people who take time to write out long questions instead of using that same amount of time to simply read through the comments and find the answers, and I also get frustrated by people who assume too much and act as if things are facts which are definitely not facts. But it’s fine. Good discussions.
Well, true, but what’s frustrating is when they assume things that they think are bad/lazy writing, like I’ve made some major error, which is incorrect in the case of “Last Blood,” but happens constantly.
That’s one of the pitfalls of webcomics, I think. If something seems wrong or inconsistent to your audience in a movie, they need only watch for a few more minutes and all will be explained to their satisfaction. In a webcomic, though, when you have several days, weeks, or even months until the “plot holes” are eventually tied up in a later comic, the problems tend to stick in the audience’s mind. There isn’t a whole lot you can do about that, other that to tell people to sit tight and explain that all will be made right in the long run.
That’s true to a certain extent and I said the same thing to Eisu last night actually, but sometimes those “plot holes” are not only NOT plot holes, but they’re also things that AREN’T explained later in the comic — they’re simply things that some readers think is wrong and will ALWAYS think is wrong, unless told otherwise. And in those cases it’s the same as a movie. Now some of these things will be explained in more detail later in the comic, but some of them won’t, or at least not fully. I think some people no matter what will believe that it’s impossible for TFZ and his zombies to take over the world that fast, even though it seems perfectly plausible to most people when they hear the details of it.
“Is it just me, or are her breasts way to big in panel 3?”
I see it too. Kind of reminds me of Ema Frost from X-Men there. She’s often drawn with out of proportion breasts… as in, they’re way bigger than her head, or something like that.
Math, don’t give in.. don’t listen to her and her two best friends!! I personally don’t like how people have been asking so many questions that lead to spoilers or such lengthy responses from the author. I’m an art student myself, and IMO sometimes the act of viewing/reading a piece includes asking questions and drawing your own conclusions… because the creator isn’t always going to be as available as Mr. Crosby has made himself……… but having said such, are Val and that military boy going to have sex? xD
Please tell me you have a deviant art account or something i love your artwork and the story is awesome if you sold it at a comic book store id buy it in a instant i mean come on zombies and vampires just add some werewolf characters cause that would KICK ASS
Also, the first 32 pages of “Last Blood” will be in your local comic book store for FREE on May 5th, Free Comic Book Day! The second issue (pages 33-56) comes out in stores in July, third issue in September, fourth in November, and that should finish up the first graphic novel, with plans to do sequels/prequels after that.Â The first issue is at the printers now and will be available to purchase on this site in late April/early May.
I think some people no matter what will believe that itâ€™s impossible for TFZ and his zombies to take over the world that fast, even though it seems perfectly plausible to most people when they hear the details of it.
Have to admit I’m guilty of the above, but I just thought it was a tad too fast rather than a plot hole and I’ve reconsiled most of it now I’ve got more info to go on.
I’m now wondering how Val’s going to feel if she does hereself in just before the humans win. That and how the heck they’re going to do it (beat tfz that is)
“That and how the heck theyâ€™re going to do it (beat tfz that is)”
Not a spoiler, but you gotta keep in mind that TFZ has intentionally let this town survive up to now, so there’s always the option that he continues to let them (or some of them at least) survive for forever, giving up on his initial plan to kill everyone. But I’m not saying what happens and it certainly won’t be easy, whatever it is.
“well that and what a lot more is”
Stick around for another 40-45 pages and you’ll see!
What I don’t understand is how does Bobby expect us to believe that the First Zombie will take over the Earth in less than a month. This is a rediculous assumption based less on well thought out scenarios than on the whims of the authors mad fancy.
just remembered you mentioning that tfz (does he have a name? Zombie Ryan perhaps) has a grudge against the vampires if the grudge doesn’t flow across to humans I could see them surviving relativly happly. Most likely under zombie rule of course.
All hail tfz our glorious new leader ps please don’t bite me
Yeah, that sort of thing is tough on a comic like this. Instead of reading a whole book at a time and allowing the information to absorb wholistically, people read one page over and over until the story as a whole loses its meaning and instead of enjoying a work of FICTION, they instead go out of their way to prove its not real. Well folks, we know that. So unless you’re a zombie/ex-vampire hellbent on global domination trust that the author has some inkling of what he is doing.
Me, I come here for the pretty pictures and to occaisionally attempt a humorous non-sequitor.
“just remembered you mentioning that tfz (does he have a name? Zombie Ryan perhaps) has a grudge against the vampires if the grudge doesnâ€™t flow across to humans I could see them surviving relativly happly. Most likely under zombie rule of course.”
He has a name, but it hasn’t been revealed yet. Also, you’re forgetting that in order for TFZ to carry out his grudge on the vampires he needs to kill/zombify all the humans so the vampires won’t have blood to drink and will go through the same 65 years of torture that he just went through. So he’d have to give up on his grudge against the vampires in order to actually choose to leave any humans alive indefinitely. He’s going to have some conflicting thoughts and we’ll see what happens.
oh, I was just thinking of him using his zombie army to keep the vampires from getting blood from the humans.
Suddenly got a mental image of zombies fighting each other too as tfzs telepathic control plays out his inner struggle, wouldn’t mind being in the audience for that one, preferably watching from an inpenetrable bunker with a lifetimes supply of food, though knowing my luck I’d probably forget the can opener and get eaten the second I popped my head out to get one.
“oh, I was just thinking of him using his zombie army to keep the vampires from getting blood from the humans.”
Ah, yeah, I guess that would be another option for him. Although it would seem odd to let the humans live but then constantly surround them with zombies. But actually, after just a couple weeks without blood the pain is unbearable for vampires, as Math said, and they couldn’t put up much of a fight at that point, so I guess after a short while the restrictions on the humans could be relaxed a bit. But this is all just for fun, since nothing like that’s going to happen anyway.
My scientific mind kicks in whenever the argument of ‘Can Vampires Breed’ kicks in. It’s part of having been a Game Master in a few online text RPGs.
I personally think that it’s an impossiblity for vampires to breed. The biological material to have children, is simply gone. Vampires are the walking dead, the body and mind of a person minus a soul, who requires living blood to obtain the energy to exist. That blood goes directly towards continued existance, without worrying about the use of organs, one can assume (How often do you see vampires excreting?).
Generally speaking, people enjoy the idea that vampires would still have sex because they symbolize the ultimate ‘Bad Boy/Girl’ stereotype. We like to pretend that there’d even still be enjoyment in sex for them, but if such creatures really could exist, who would know?
The other shoot down to vampires breeding is, human women can only breed for such a period of time. They have a definate amount of eggs within their body, which are released periodically. So even if, for some reason, this biological feature somehow continued along in the body of someone like, say, Val who appears to be 20 when she died, it would have been LONG burned out over even a halfcentury of existance.
Mewt does make some good points about vampires not being able to breed, but i think i can pick a few holes in it .
A vampires body by what a majority of stories say is just what mewt said, that they are on a continued existence using blood drained from the living to continue living themselves, well in that case why wouldn’t certain bodily functions continue, to be able to move around there muscles still survive and for a male vampire he generally is muscle so would have no problem with the sex part, but thats where my argument breaks down on the breeding part.
Also, you’re saying about how women have a certain amount of eggs which are released overtime, if you think about it with a vampires healing power why couldn’t that be put to reproducing those eggs? when april shot math within a few minutes he had healed, as vampires generally have the power to heal surely this could be put to healing genitalia … ergo vampy kids are born?
sorry i just love to argue … great page by the way … you can see that Math does find her atractive but there is something deeper in him that he hasn’t resolved yet … maybe something from before he was turned vampire??
I’m of the opinion that it’s pointless to talk about such things because NO ONE KNOWS OR COULD KNOW. If vampires can live on human blood and fly (some of them) and do all these other unusual things, why could they not also be able to have children? Probably in a different way than regular humans do, but so what? Anyway, pointless to me.
Blood? How would vampire babies bones develop without calcium? To say nothing of hair and fingernails without protein? And since all vampires are naturally bisexual, are vampire babies born that way too? What about nature vs nurture?
(I am indeed trying to give the writer an anger stroke.)
…all i can say is, even though i’m not a woman… Breastfeeding a baby vampire would suck after those fangs come in. Yes, they WOULD be drinking blood. But not in the nice way one might expect. (if there’s any nice way TO drink blood. Er… red gatorade.)
i think we sparked to much of a debate, lol. Bobby is right though, why couldn’t they have kids after all these “unusual” feats that they can perform … they don’t lay eggs do they
Plite has good point where would they get the calcium and protein from to develop, obviously some of it would come from blood but not enough for a body to develop …. unless … damn that would be a hell of a lot of blood!!
“How long have Val and Math been together? I can totally see that as an old(really old) maried couple.”
Math just said that he hasn’t had sex in over a century and Val asked if she was his last lover. They were together for a relatively small amount of time over a hundred years ago and it ended very badly.
i will be very sad if Val dies, she seems like one of those expendable characters that die to prove a point. le sigh. wheres Val from? does she have an accent?
i think vampire babies are almost as wrong as zombie babies!
I’m just glad to hear that you’d be sad if she (or any character in this story!) died. I do not know for sure at the moment where she’s from and I’m not sure if she has an accent, but I don’t imagine it to be strong, whatever it is.
Here is a simple solution to vampire breeding confusion:
I have read many a vampire novel, all of them very different. Vampires are interpreted differently by each author, making their abilities subjective.
However, I have frequently seen authors make vampires regard themselves as a different species entirely from humans. I have found that many of a vampire’s more ‘unlikely’ abilities seem to make more sense if one treats them as their own species.
Also, basically every vampire novel involves sex. I don’t know why. Sometimes they are sterile, sometimes not, but I have yet to read a vampire novel that does not have sex or at least a very passionate make-out session.
Still, most people will stick to their own conclusions and not read this, so I won’t bother saying more.
In other news, love the comic! The art is really great, and the writing is quite fun. Keep up the good work.
I wonder if anyone checks old comments? Well, who knows. About vampires breeding, though:
The egg theory is correct, in that the body would run out of it’s supply at some point. There is technically no way for a human body to re-create these eggs, none at all. The eggs are created at conception of the human embryo, so it just seems unlikely that any _healing_ power would _create_ eggs. Makes sense to me anyway, even though bossman has said there’ll be no vampire babies I think.
Though the male fertility remains plausible, you also have to realize that the human body is designed on a very basic level to shut down to core needs, when the body is low on sustinence. For instance, if one of us were to stop eating or drinking, the body would shut down non-essential functions. Reproduction, while valued highly to the human body, is shut down long before self-survival is. Normally anyhow. So, assuming the vampires’ bodies aren’t really 100% sure on WHAT they are anymore, I’m willing to bet that they’re not fertile for sheer virtue of the fact that their bodies are trying to keep them in survive-at-all-costs mode. That would, partially, also explain the vampire’s regeneration rate and advanced strength/powers, but only partially.
“How long have they known each other, and how long have they been stuck together doing the human saving thing . . .”
Well, they’ve obviously known each other for at least a hundred years, since we just learned that they had sex at some point over a hundred years ago. And twice now in the story it’s been confirmed that Val found/saved him about two weeks ago, so they’ve been trying to save humans for about two weeks.